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October 29, 2007 at 5:24 pm
Great job!
October 29, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Good job, SC’ans! You got it! Be at every event where the GOP is.
October 29, 2007 at 6:45 pm
WOW!
What a blueprint!
Thank You!!!!
October 29, 2007 at 7:24 pm
Great job!
We (Plano TX) had a booth at the Star Wars Convention -paid $300, but it gave us unlimited opportunity to talk to people. I had great success with the introduction, after the “have you heard of Ron Paul” question: “He’s a medical doctor. He served 20 years in Congress, but doesn’t take a pension. He says he has no right to take money out of your paycheck and you have no obligation to take of his retirement. He says he has to set an example as he fights government waste.” Very favorable response follows.
“We spend $1 trillion a year on our foreign empire. We have troops in 130 countries, but our own borders are unguarded. Guess what? If we stop taking care of people in other countries, we can abolish the income tax. Dr. Paul will bring our troops home and give you back 100% of your paycheck. If we cut the size of government back to where it was in 2000, the government won’t need our taxes. Check him out this website and please vote for him in the primary. he is a once-in-a-lifetime candidate.” “I will and thank you very much!” An amazing number of people thanked us. We have just let them in on a secret and they felt so privileged to have heard about Ron Paul.
We have a booth at the Texas Speedway this weekend at a cost of $5,000. We have a Chip In, trying to raise the money. We signed the papers on faith. We are still $2,000 short. The booth gives us unfettered access to a half a million people. An airplane will pull a Ron Paul banner during the last three days.
October 29, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Fantastic!
October 29, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Pretty much word for word what I say. Glad we think alike. You a former neocon?
October 29, 2007 at 11:39 pm
We did a gun show (Jackson,Ms meet-up)# 156 (I think) We had to keep it short to 90% of the folks (many didn’t want to spend 60 sec. listening), but about 5% interested and 2%very interested, a lot of apathy… You would think the gun folk pop. would have quite a few activists!!! Small crowd (2 days/300-500 each day) I like some of these ideas…
Oh, the Granny Warriors use an RV and pay for parking and work out of the RV parking lot, don’t know if it even feasible or the cost, just an idea!!!
October 30, 2007 at 12:34 am
WELL DONE BJ!
Thanks for taking the time to write this up.
Some more facts to add to your responses on fear of Iran getting nukes.
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Most people are unaware that Israel has a second strike nuclear capability.
Do you really think Iran would destroy Israel (religious holy land to Islam as well) when they know a retaliatory second strike from Israel will destroy them even if they succeed?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/24/AR2006082401050.html
German built diesel electric subs armed with nuclear cruise missiles. A very formidable deterrent.
October 30, 2007 at 1:16 am
Your approach is excellent! The arguments are very well constructed and the method of asking questions forces them to engage instead of being dismissive. I hope you can circulate this approach to as many other groups as possible. Well done!
October 30, 2007 at 3:24 am
excellent work!
October 30, 2007 at 4:01 am
Can I suggest that you snapshot and printout a copy (best in color for the dots) of the maps on this page:
http://www.infiniteronpaul.com/meetupmaps/
You could use THAT as a *visual* indicator of the comparative grassroots support of the various candidates for your “Path 3: Familiar but skeptical ” section; saying 60,000 is one thing — SHOWING the comparative maps is much more convincing.
October 30, 2007 at 4:03 am
OH, by the way, absolutely GREAT page…
Two questions though:
Where do you get the copies of the Pocket Constitution?
What do they cost?
Only places I can find them online they seem to want ridiculous prices (I can buy New Testaments for less!)
October 30, 2007 at 5:41 am
The Constitutions are from Cato Institute at the link in the above article:
http://www.catostore.org/index.asp?fa=ProductDetails&method=&pid=144278-A
For quantities >= 500, you can buy them for $1 apiece. Compared to $2 for a bottle of water at the fair, that seemed like a pretty good deal
.
Nice tip on the map…
Also, just added a citation link for the DoD’s troop deployment statistics above. More recently, we’re down to 60,000 troops in Germany, but are closer to 30,000 troops in Korea. Of course, 202,000 in Iraq.
October 30, 2007 at 6:12 am
Hi,
I came over to look at your Ron Paul pack — I saw your post on Daily Paul. It looks like the “Statement of Faith” web page has been hacked? All I get is a foreign script on that page.
Gwen
October 30, 2007 at 6:15 am
And the Ron Paul DVD page too?
October 30, 2007 at 6:20 am
Gwen, the Statement of Faith link at Covenant News is still working for me here:
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm
Good news — it’s also featured at the official campaign Web site:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/87/statement-of-faith/
October 30, 2007 at 6:23 am
Hmm…. I’m afraid it might be your browser that’s been hacked
My life is so much simpler since I got a MacBook!
October 30, 2007 at 10:34 am
Great Job!!!! Keep the faith & keep up the good work.
October 30, 2007 at 1:01 pm
Alot of what Ron Paul stands for I approve of. I’m not sure about killing all foreign aid as the reality of the world is we need alliance partners who share in our ideals. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness applies to everyone and it’s what makes Americans special. Yes, we have a welfare state at home. Why? Global disparity in income is one of the issues and foreign aid, properly applied, changes that.
October 30, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Good stuff here. I would make one suggestion though. Actually, it’s not my suggestion. It’s from Dale Carnegie, author of How to Win Friends and Influence People. One of his rules is never to argue. He most certainly would never begin a response with the word “No.” First find and agree upon a common goal. Appeal to the other person’s good character and principles. There’s lots more. I recommend the book very highly. Its antique language makes it sound out-dated, but believe me, it still works.
October 30, 2007 at 3:40 pm
And how did you respond to questions about race relations, racist supporters, or Ron Paul’s acceptance of that support?
October 30, 2007 at 4:01 pm
After reading this post it seems like the Ron Paul following is turning into a church. I am all for the constitution as the “rule of law” but who appointed Ron Paul an expert on it?
The “Statement of Faith” I find somewhat disturbing. Here is a counter post to Ron Paul and his ideas here….
http://shadowdemocracy.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/ron-paulconstitutionalist-or-just-another-christian-fundamentalist-nut/
October 30, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Awesome post man. You do a great job of countering all of the people who are either unsure or don’t believe it can happen.
October 30, 2007 at 5:57 pm
@jennaraby — it’s pretty well documented that our foreign “aid” doesn’t actually help the folks it’s intended to help. Check out “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” by John Perkins for some firsthand experience. But a free society tends to be a generous society — not that it matters, but our family and church support a variety of missionaries around the world. And the accountability provided by giving aid under such *extremely* local control is fantastic. The federal government itself would NEVER qualify as a legitimate “charity” based upon the percentage of each dollar taken in that makes it out to its desired recipient.
October 30, 2007 at 6:21 pm
@nicolen, great question. I take it all the way back to the Declaration of Independence — what part of “all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…” don’t folks understand? We’re now progressive enough to understand that equality includes men and women of all creeds and colors. Our founding documents are not written to divide us, they are written to unite us as individual Americans who ALL share the same rights.
Regarding who chooses to support Ron Paul, well… people have done a lot of evil things throughout history in the name of Jesus Christ. The Inquisition and various forms of religious persecution come to mind. Do the actions of such miscreants make Jesus evil?
Please understand I’m in no way comparing Ron Paul to Jesus Christ. It’s just that one should not judge a man, or his message, by his supporters. Each individual must evaluate the message herself. How has Ron Paul “accepted” the support of racists?
Check out this excellent video “performance” of the Declaration of Independence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYyttEu_NLU
As you can see, it’s not about black versus white, or any other label typically used to divide us as a nation.
October 30, 2007 at 6:27 pm
@MJ, I think it’s quite a stretch to call Ron Paul’s support a “church”. I’ve never seen a church with a tent this big. It’s about individual liberty, and each of us having the same God (or Creator, or whatever you like) given rights as individuals.
Why do you find Ron Paul’s Statement of Faith disturbing? I’d be curious to hear what disturbs you about one man’s personal statement of what he believes.
One primary difference between Ron Paul and what some might call (rightly or wrongly) a “Christian fundamentalist nut” is that he has no wish to force his belief system upon you, or anyone else, either via the force of the state or at gunpoint. Do you think a “Christian fundamentalist nut” or even a “social conservative” would wish to end the “War on Drugs”?
Also, please don’t fall for attempts to use abortion as a splinter issue. Check out this audio interview where Rep. Paul speaks extensively about the topic:
http://www.podshow.com/shows/?mode=detail&episode_id=84569
You can skip ahead to the 5 minute mark to get started, abortion starts at 22 minutes.
As far as who appointed Ron Paul an “expert”, I think his writings speak for themselves. I didn’t become a supporter overnight, but over about a month of reading through http://www.ronpaullibrary.com I began to realize he’s actually put a lot of thought and study into how one would implement a Constitutional federal government.
That’s not to say he’s the last word on the subject, and there are areas where I personally want to learn/discuss more (i.e. global warming, or at least our unsustainable use of fossil fuels). But he’s pretty much alone among our elected leaders in at least TRYING to follow, and discuss, how we should apply (as opposed to ignore) the Constitution.
October 30, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Ron Paul…”If we’re not involved in anything, how can anything go wrong?”
I’m Ron Paul, and I approve this message.
October 30, 2007 at 7:14 pm
bhday, thank you for the reply. However, I am quite familiar with the Declaration of Independence and I find it amusing that you would link me to such a theatrical presentation in an attempt to prove that Dr. Paul does not embrace racist ideology. Why would you do such a thing?
Of course, Dr. Paul may not be responsible for the ground-swell of support that he is getting from racists and anti-Semites. But…and this is a very big but…where has Dr. Paul repudiated racism or the racist who support him? Even more importantly, why is it that such large numbers of bigoted and racist individuals are in support of Dr. Paul?
I have been reading and studying and, generally, familiarizing myself with all of the candidates and Paul disturbs me. He disturbs me not just because of those he seems to be attracting, but because he seems to be very adept at side-stepping, denying, and passing the buck. Now, some might say that makes for a good politician – personally, I have had enough of that kind of politics.
Again…your candidate has a history of racism, is being supported and promoted by organized racist groups, has been asked repeatedly to speak to this, and remains in a mode of tacit acceptance. Sending those with legitimate questions about this to a slicked-up Hollywood reading of the Declaration of Independence doesn’t answer those questions and does nothing to enhance one’s opinion of Dr. Paul.
October 30, 2007 at 7:37 pm
@nicolen, all I’d ask is to separate the message (i.e., the text of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution) from the messenger — whoever it happens to be. I frankly found the “theatrical” production of the Declaration by a few Hollywood elites to be pretty inspiring — just because silently reading the words *can* be dry and cumbersome. Sorry you didn’t see it that way.
Look, I don’t care if you like/dislike/support/don’t support Ron Paul. All I’d ask is that folks read the documents themselves, and evaluate the merit of the documents themselves. Period.
Don’t judge the Constitution and Declaration of Independence based upon how you feel about Ron Paul. Maybe he’s just not the “messenger” for you. But can you be a messenger for, and supporter of, those founding documents?
If racists and bigots also embrace a politician, or even — God forbid — these same founding documents… well, they’re still racists and bigots. And we can debate them until the cows come home regarding the irrationality of their respective positions.
Good night, and good luck.
October 30, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Ron Paul’s personal hero is Ludwig von Mises, a Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany and one of the primary exponents of the Austrian school of economics. He is a great supporter of the Mises Institute (http://mises.org/) How can he be an anti-Semite?
Please don’t read hit pieces as Gospel truth. Dig in yourself and try to find more reliable sources of information. How is it you “know” racists support him? Even if some do, how would they ever get the idea he agrees with them on race? Might their support have more to do with the fact he is a constitutionalist and does not like big government? Or that he’s the strongest opponent of victim disarmament (aka “gun control”)?
95% of the political world is bullshit, and it’s tough to wade through it sometimes. But Ron Paul is the real thing.
October 30, 2007 at 11:23 pm
Oh, @nicolen, one more thing. While I would never attempt to explain/justify all of Ron Paul’s real or imagined supporters, I let you off a bit too easily with your racist presumptions about Rep. Paul. Please check out his appearance in the PBS Republican debate, hosted by Tavis Smiley. The first part is here on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6O0AlS4Nm8
While no one can make you like anyone, I certainly hope that you’ll keep an open mind as you evaluate candidates and seek truth. In my months of study, I’ve found nothing Ron Paul has done, said, or written that shows any evidence of racism or prejudice. Simply saying that he has a “history of racism” is unjustified without any supporting evidence.
Finally, watching that Declaration of Independence video again, I’m actually a bit shocked by your dismissive response. My favorite quote is listening to Morgan Freeman say, “The real glory of the Declaration of Independence has been our nation’s epic struggle throughout history to close the gap between the ideals of this remarkable document and the sometimes painful realities of American life.” (Sometimes? That’s an understatement for many…)
Seriously, don’t you want to fight for something? Or should we just sit back and take it?
October 30, 2007 at 11:44 pm
Very good tools you’ve assembled. Thanks.
October 31, 2007 at 12:12 am
Way to go!!!
That was excellent.
November 1, 2007 at 8:49 pm
Thank you so much! Great job!
November 5, 2007 at 4:02 pm
A very nice toolkit you have assembled bhday; thanks!
Thelen Paulk has been about liberty for a long time; you might want to consider what is here: http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/visitor.html
[And I hope NOT to attract any more comments about the Ron Paul phenomenom being a "church" by posting that link - haha. BTW, Thelen is legally blind and sales of his booklet go a LONG way toward his support]
Also, I can’t remember how many times I have referred to THE FACTUAL GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, available to my pleasant surprise just now, here: http://www.rochesterlaw.org/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=5
[The indexing and cross-referencing make it worth its weight in gold.]
November 7, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Path 3: Familiar but skeptical-
R: Me neither. Mainstream polls are only polling “likely voters in the Republican primary”. That automatically excludes me, since I’ve not voted in primaries, and all of my Democrat friends who have changed their party affiliation to Republican just to vote for Ron Paul. Would you like to vote for someone who’s not the lesser of two evils?
A: Yes…
R: Then would you like to learn more and support his campaign?
“Would you like to vote for someone who’s not the lesser of two evils?”!!!!!!!!!!!
Ron Paul is not the lesser of two evils, because he is not evil. That statement sounds like something Fox News would say.
You may want to rephrase this statement to:
Ask yourself this…Would you rather have to choose the lesser of two evils or vote for someone such as Ron Paul, a good man who is campaigning for the GOOD of ALL people.
BTW… Unless the person you are speaking with has begun a Christian dialog with you, I would refrain from the statement about the Bible and the Constitution being #1 & #2 on your best seller list. Their are many people who do NOT believe Jesus is their savior and they equally want to have their freedom to choose their beliefs, etc. so this puts the constitution in first place and the Bible, Koran, Bhagavagita, etc. tied for second. You risk loosing potential Non-Christian voters when referring to the bible in this way.
I’ve been speaking to many people about Ron Paul and his campaign and I find that what works best is to ask what the person wants from their president and what changes the want to see in the world and then I answer them as Ron would.
November 8, 2007 at 3:19 pm
@Jerry, thanks for the comment. The “two evils” question was intended to communicate exactly that — would you (finally!) like to vote for someone who is NOT the “lesser of two evils” but who is truly a great American statesman?
The Christian piece is also well-taken, and I prefer not to wear my faith on my sleeve but instead attempt to quietly live it. I should note that the audience around the GOP and Right to Life booth at the North Carolina State Fair is highly self-selected, and even if someone has a fear/dislike of the Bible, mentioning the Bible in honest conversation is also a useful path for exploration.
For example, there are people who fear/dislike the Bible based upon unfamiliarity with the book itself, and human corruption of Biblical principles. Likewise, there are people from disenfranchised groups who fear/dislike the Constitution while not having read it as a result of our own country’s record of oppression and denial of individual rights.
A longer conversation typically reveals that a negative impression of the Bible, or Constitution, results from events that occurred *despite* (as opposed to because of) these two documents.
Here is the best post relating Ron Paul’s candidacy to Christian philosophy that I have seen yet — this guy should be a preacher:
http://jwharton.com/wordpress/?p=3